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76562   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Nov 4, 8:18pm  

Dan8267 says

Which is why we need a transition to the best seventh party system we can create. The sixth party system is no longer sustainable and is creating strife.

Yep. Because it not only ignores the interests of (mostly white) working class (especially men), but humiliates and insults them.

"Let them eat Learn to Code!"

The Country Club Republicans and Clintonistas are a uniparty: Serve interests who find Globalization of interest. The only difference is mobilizing along cultural/religious issues. The Country Club Republicans had their own base drop them first, who woke up and realized the border was as wide open as ever and the Ben Shapiros, Tom Friedmans, and George Wills were just as insulting as snobby Coastal Elites about "Aspiration" and "Retraining". However, depending on Hillary's vote total (and perhaps Stein also as a proxy) we may find a significant number of Democrat voters woke up to neolib-cons as well.

Hillary's defeat is key to ushering in the 6th/7th Party System. How smooth the transition is depends on whether she's defeated now or in 2020.

As for impeachment, the investigations into Hillary began more than a year ago. And they knew via friendly leakers in the DOJ that there were FBI cases proceeding against her.

Instead of the oh-so-wonderful Democratic Party Superdelegates who are supposed to stop flawed candidates from being selected, they selected Hillary anyway, because they want to ride the Corruption Train.

Indeed the Democratic Elites pushed Hillary over Bernie since day one as a monotonous force. It's actually rare that the entire party elite is solidly behind one single candidate a year and a half prior to the Election.

76563   Shaman   2016 Nov 4, 8:19pm  

I wonder what our resident Trump Derangement Syndrome sufferers will think? Probably something along the lines of "he intimidated her!" And "she is so brave!"
Even tho since she used a pseudonym we don't know that she isn't actually Rosie O'Donnell.

76564   AllTruth   2016 Nov 4, 8:27pm  

We're living through the final stages of what was peaceful, stable, violence-free transitional government in developed nations, as globalists chase the cheapest commodity of all, human labor, and there's a corollary decline in middle-class living standards and labor force participation in such developed nations.

Some refer to this as 4th Turning type event.

The developING nations that are siphoning the gains from the lost decent'wage jobs in the developed nations are accruing surpluses for now, but have their own inherent, serious structural problems that threaten to destabilize their governments as well.

76565   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Nov 4, 8:31pm  

Quigley is deplorable says

Even tho since she used a pseudonym we don't know that she isn't actually Rosie O'Donnell.

And the only journalist who was allowed to interview her thinks the whole thing stinks like the Tsukiji Fish Market a day after an Earthquake.

Oh, and Epstein was banned by Trump from the Mar-A-Lago, for hitting on an underage daughter of a member.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/jeffrey-epstein-sex-slave-lawyer-donald-trump-accusations/

76566   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Nov 4, 8:33pm  

Quigley is deplorable says

we don't know that she isn't actually Rosie O'Donnell.

That would be some pretty funny shit. I bet he's paid off women before and deducted it on his taxes. That's why he won't release them. That, and the SEC fraud cases that would be kicked off.

76567   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Nov 4, 8:35pm  

What's funny is that Clinton ditched his secret service escort to hang with Epstein at least once, but the MSM that prints this trash never reports it.

76568   Dan8267   2016 Nov 4, 8:45pm  

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

Indeed the Democratic Elites pushed Hillary over Bernie since day one as a monotonous force. It's actually rare that the entire party elite is solidly behind one single candidate a year and a half prior to the Election.

Not surprising in this case. Hillary was next in line. The Republicans do the same thing. Their establishment was behind Jeb Bush, but Trump took him out first. Both parties have "in" candidates that have been promised advantages for favors rendered in the past. The Clintons and the Bushes have garnered many such favors and are owed by many cronies.

76569   AllTruth   2016 Nov 4, 8:49pm  

Turnings[edit]
While writing Generations, Strauss and Howe discovered a pattern in the historical generations they examined which revolved around generational events which they call turnings. In Generations, and in greater detail in The Fourth Turning, they identify the four-stage cycle of social or mood eras (i.e. turnings).

High[edit]
According to Strauss and Howe, the First Turning is a High. This is a post-Crisis era when institutions are strong and individualism is weak. Society is confident about where it wants to go collectively, though those outside the majoritarian center often feel stifled by the conformity.[19]

According to the authors, America's most recent First Turning was the post-World War II American High, beginning in 1946 and ending with the assassination of John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963.[20]

Awakening[edit]
According to the theory, the Second Turning is an Awakening. This is an era when institutions are attacked in the name of personal and spiritual autonomy. Just when society is reaching its high tide of public progress, people suddenly tire of social discipline and want to recapture a sense of self-awareness, spirituality and personal authenticity. Young activists look back at the previous High as an era of cultural and spiritual poverty.[21]

Strauss & Howe say America’s most recent Awakening was the “Consciousness Revolution,” which spanned from the campus and inner-city revolts of the mid-1960s to the tax revolts of the early 1980s.[22]

Unraveling[edit]
According to Strauss and Howe, the Third Turning is an Unraveling. The mood of this era is in many ways the opposite of a High: Institutions are weak and distrusted, while individualism is strong and flourishing. Highs come after Crises, when society wants to coalesce and build. Unravelings come after Awakenings, when society wants to atomize and enjoy.[23] They declare that America’s most recent Unraveling was the Long Boom and Culture War, beginning in the 1980s and ending in the late 2000s.

Crisis[edit]
According to the authors, the Fourth Turning is a Crisis. This is an era in which institutional life is destroyed and rebuilt in response to a perceived threat to the nation’s survival. Civic authority revives, cultural expression redirects towards community purpose, and people begin to locate themselves as members of a larger group.[24] America’s most recent completed Fourth Turning began with the Wall Street Crash of 1929 and climaxed with the end of World War II. The G.I. Generation (a Hero archetype, born 1901 to 1924) came of age during this era. Their confidence, optimism, and collective outlook epitomized the mood of the era.[25] According to the authors, the Millennial Generation (Hero archetype, born 1982 to 2004), show many traits similar to those of the G.I. youth, including rising civic engagement, improving behavior, and collective confidence.[26]

Cycle[edit]
Each turning lasts about 20–22 years. Four turnings comprise a full cycle of approximately 80 to 90 years,[27] which the authors term a saeculum, after the Latin word meaning both “a long human life” and “a natural century.”[28]

Generational change drives the cycle of turnings and determines its periodicity. As each generation ages into the next life phase (and a new social role) society’s mood and behavior fundamentally changes, giving rise to a new turning. Therefore, a symbiotic relationship exists between historical events and generational personas. Historical events shape generations in childhood and young adulthood; then, as parents and leaders in midlife and old age, generations in turn shape history.[29]

Each of the four turnings has a distinct mood that recurs every saeculum. Strauss and Howe describe these turnings as the “seasons of history.” At one extreme is the Awakening, which is analogous to summer, and at the other extreme is the Crisis, which is analogous to winter. The turnings in between are transitional seasons, similar to fall and spring.[30] Strauss and Howe have identified 26 turnings over 7 saecula in Anglo-American history, from the year 1435 through today.

At the heart of Strauss & Howe's ideas is a basic alternation between two different types of eras, Crises and Awakenings. Both of these are defining eras in which people observe that historic events are radically altering their social environment.[31] Crises are periods marked by major secular upheaval, when society focuses on reorganizing the outer world of institutions and public behavior (the last American Crisis was the period spanning the Great Depression and World War II). Awakenings are periods marked by cultural or religious renewal, when society focuses on changing the inner world of values and private behavior (the last American Awakening was the “Consciousness Revolution” of the 1960s and 1970s).[32] During Crises, great peril provokes a societal consensus, an ethic of personal sacrifice, and strong institutional order. During Awakenings, an ethic of individualism emerges, and the institutional order is attacked by new social ideals and spiritual agendas.[33] According to the authors, about every eighty to ninety years—the length of a long human life—a national Crisis occurs in American society. Roughly halfway to the next Crisis, a cultural Awakening occurs (historically, these have often been called Great Awakenings).[32]

In describing this cycle of Crises and Awakenings, Strauss and Howe draw from the work of other historians and social scientists who have identified long cycles in American and European history. The Strauss–Howe cycle of Crises corresponds with long cycles of war identified by such scholars as Arnold J. Toynbee, Quincy Wright, and L.L. Ferrar Jr., and with geopolitical cycles identified by William R. Thompson and George Modelski.[34] Strauss and Howe say their cycle of Awakenings corresponds with Anthony Wallace’s definitive work on revitalization movements,[35] Strauss and Howe also say recurring Crises and Awakenings correspond with two-stroke cycles in politics (Walter Dean Burnham, Arthur Schlesinger Sr. and Jr.), foreign affairs (Frank L. Klingberg), and the economy (Nikolai Kondratieff) as well as with long-term oscillations in crime and substance abuse.[36]

Archetypes[edit]
The two different types of eras and two formative age locations associated with them (childhood and young adulthood) produce four generational archetypes that repeat sequentially, in rhythm with the cycle of Crises and Awakenings. In Generations, Strauss and Howe refer to these four archetypes as Idealist, Reactive, Civic, and Adaptive.[37] In The Fourth Turning (1997) they update this terminology to Prophet, Nomad, Hero, and Artist.[38] The generations in each archetype not only share a similar age-location in history, they also share some basic attitudes towards family, risk, culture and values, and civic engagement. In essence, generations shaped by similar early-life experiences develop similar collective personas and follow similar life-trajectories.[39] To date, Strauss and Howe have identified 25 generations in Anglo-American history, each with a corresponding archetype. The authors describe the archetypes as follows:

Prophet[edit]

Abraham Lincoln, born in 1809. Strauss and Howe would identify him as a member of the Transcendental generation.
Prophet generations are born near the end of a Crisis, during a time of rejuvenated community life and consensus around a new societal order. Prophets grow up as the increasingly indulged children of this post-Crisis era, come of age as self-absorbed young crusaders of an Awakening, focus on morals and principles in midlife, and emerge as elders guiding another Crisis.[40]

Nomad[edit]
Nomad generations are born during an Awakening, a time of social ideals and spiritual agendas, when young adults are passionately attacking the established institutional order. Nomads grow up as under-protected children during this Awakening, come of age as alienated, post-Awakening adults, become pragmatic midlife leaders during a Crisis, and age into resilient post-Crisis elders.[40]

Hero[edit]

Young adults fighting in World War II were born in the early part of the 20th century, like PT109 commander LTJG John F. Kennedy (b. 1917). They are part of the G.I. Generation, which follows the Hero archetype.
Hero generations are born after an Awakening, during an Unraveling, a time of individual pragmatism, self-reliance, and laissez faire. Heroes grow up as increasingly protected post-Awakening children, come of age as team-oriented young optimists during a Crisis, emerge as energetic, overly-confident midlifers, and age into politically powerful elders attacked by another Awakening.[40]

Artist[edit]
Artist generations are born after an Unraveling, during a Crisis, a time when great dangers cut down social and political complexity in favor of public consensus, aggressive institutions, and an ethic of personal sacrifice. Artists grow up overprotected by adults preoccupied with the Crisis, come of age as the socialized and conformist young adults of a post-Crisis world, break out as process-oriented midlife leaders during an Awakening, and age into thoughtful post-Awakening elders.[40]

Summary[edit]
An average life is 80 years, and consists of four periods of ~20 years
Childhood → Young adult → Midlife → Elderhood
A generation is an aggregate of people born every ~20 years
Baby Boomers → Gen X → Millennials → Post-Millennials ("Homeland Generation")
Each generation experiences "four turnings" every ~80y
High → Awakening → Unraveling → Crisis
A generation is considered "dominant" or "recessive" according to the turning experienced as young adults. But as a youth generation comes of age and defines its collective persona an opposing generational archetype is in its midlife peak of power.
Dominant: independent behavior + attitudes in defining an era
Recessive: dependent role in defining an era
Dominant Generations
Prophet: Awakening as young adults. Awakening, defined: Institutions are attacked in the name of personal and spiritual autonomy
Hero: Crisis as young adults. Crisis, defined: Institutional life is destroyed and rebuilt in response to a perceived threat to the nation's survival
Recessive Generations
Nomad: Unraveling as young adults. Unraveling, defined: Institutions are weak and distrusted, individualism is strong and flourishing
Artist: High [when they become] young adults. High, defined: Institutions are strong and individualism is weak

76570   lostand confused   2016 Nov 4, 9:04pm  

Why are all this entertainers holding concerts for Hilalry. Does she not have any policy , vision for the country???

Vote for me -Madonna will give you a blowjob and beyonce will shake that booty for free-oh and Donald trump is a despicable deplorable.

76571   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Nov 4, 9:07pm  

Dan8267 says

Not surprising in this case. Hillary was next in line. The Republicans do the same thing. Their establishment was behind Jeb Bush, but Trump took him out first. Both parties have "in" candidates that have been promised advantages for favors rendered in the past. The Clintons and the Bushes have garnered many such favors and are owed by many cronies.

True, but in fairness, the Republicans had a backup plan whereas the Democrat Elite stuck themselves with Hillary and no backup, since they loathed Bernie and thought he was a joke candidate, a gadfly who would disappear by Super Tuesday at the latest.

For the GOPe, Jeb was the preferred candidate, with Rubio and Kasich as backups. They had Cruz as a sop to Social Conservatives, and eventually the plan was for all of them to unite around Jeb, or themselves if Jeb failed to gain traction. Problem was they were trying to discount the core working class evangelical base that first became the Tea Party then the Early Trump Adopters.

That's why the GOP Establishment switched backing in the order they did. You'll also notice that all 4 of their candidates in ranked order were pro-unlimited immigration and pro-unlimted free trade.

It's also why "Stupid Trump" took out Jeb! first. Nobody understood why he was pummeling Jeb! so hard when Jeb's numbers sucked from the very beginning. Then Kasich, then Rubio, then Cruz.

76572   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Nov 4, 9:15pm  

Here's a Wikileaks email that should have attracted mucho attention:


https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5690

It's from last fall when the possibility of Biden putting his hat in the ring (as Hillary was underwhelming even back then) was being floated around.

Klain was Gore's Vice Presidential Chief of Staff and later Biden's Vice Presidential Chief of Staff. He was also around during all the Chad fighting in Florida. He worked with Biden as a staffer/speechwriter all the way back in 1988, so there's a long history between the two men.

He made himself an unperson with Biden, how I don't know. Possibly threatening to leak some inside information on Biden that might hurt his career permanently if he ran against Hillary?

#UnsolvedMysteriesOf2016

(The other one being, I hope Bernie wasn't a Schmuck and squeezed some concessions the way Shillary did Obama?)

76574   HEY YOU   2016 Nov 4, 10:34pm  

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

Beat me to it. I think this was the 3rd time this case was dropped.

Trump has paid 3 times.

76575   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Nov 4, 10:46pm  

FP says

1. Do you believe that the democratic politicians have the interests of ordinary people ahead of the interests of their paymasters? Their paymasters are the people and corporations who fund their campaigns and make them rich after they leave office.

I can prove a Citigroup Executive had massive input in Obama's cabinet before he even took office. Podesta was co-chair of Obama's Transition Committee.

And, as reality turned out, the list was mighty "prophetic".
https://newrepublic.com/article/137798/important-wikileaks-revelation-isnt-hillary-clinton

Amazing how companies in need (and received) of massive bailouts for 'frothy' investment decisions are picking the nations top economic (and other) advisers. Failing upwards, nothing achieves like failure.

Today Froman is negotiating the TPP, which is of course in everybody's interests.

Notice the MSM doesn't discuss this story much, which in of itself deserves at least a three-news cycle level of coverage. "Old News" = "Covering Corruption's Ass"

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8190
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43306
Be sure to check attachments. The secure on is "change" - how cynical.

I thought the Democrats were the party of working people?

And if this is what Obama did, imagine what a Hillary Clinton administration will do. Slap the democrats hard in the face, or they won't learn their lesson. There's no point in voting for the Democrats if they pick cabinet officers of the same kind that a Country Club GOP candidate like Jeb! would.

76576   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   2016 Nov 4, 11:52pm  

noises subside as fund runs out...same with BLM.

76577   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Nov 5, 9:52am  

Yep, some German CDU Pol said the same thing a few weeks ago when AfD won some representation. As did Remoaners.

It's amazing that the core of two parties utterly ignores the concerns of about 2/3 of the electorate on immigration and free trade and other key issues and then complains about democracy.

"Our propaganda is failing to convince people over their lived experiences. The People suck! Let's elect a new electorate."

76578   zzyzzx   2016 Nov 5, 11:05am  

Be honest now Gary. Tell us why you are really scared. It's because the first day of a Trump Presidency means you immediately become obsolete. Your life's work as a Hillary schill and sycophant covering up her lies and illegal activity will have ended up in complete failure. Without the establishment, who needs your pen to help deceive the masses, your entire world falls apart.

76579   lostand confused   2016 Nov 5, 11:31am  

Now I am abit nervous. I still think he will win-I really don't want our country to turn into a 3rd world hellhole.

What is wrong with the lefties???

76580   marcus   2016 Nov 5, 1:51pm  

Heraclitusstudent says

they won't calmly accept it

I wish I didn't know that Trump is the candidate that will make it worse.

76581   joshuatrio   2016 Nov 5, 3:57pm  

It's funny. The double standards of the left.

They say something, it's ok. The right says it, it becomes a vast right wing conspiracy.

I really do dislike the Clintons. I don't remember it ever being this bad till they got involved.

76582   Gary Anderson   2016 Nov 5, 4:16pm  

But, Ironman, it is rigged against working men and women because of economics. First there is too much money at the top and too much speculation on real estate. Second, the Fed has done too good a job looking for markets for long bonds, forcing interest rates down. I wrote about that bond yields on the longer end is a function of demand for bonds:

http://www.talkmarkets.com/content/bonds/keeping-interest-rates-low-is-a-function-of-demand-not-of-politics?post=105956&uid=4798

This was confirmed by the premier bond guru of Blackrock, essentially making two different predictions in the same article at Business Insider:

http://www.talkmarkets.com/content/bonds-education/blackrock-cap-on-yields-because-of-monumental-bond-demand?post=111451&uid=4798

Bonds are the new gold in derivatives markets, used as collateral. Trillions of dollars are committed to the new clearinghouses. So, this slows the economy because the Fed's hands are tied and cannot raise rates which would help the economy by stimulating lending and would show that inflation could run a little hot yet could be stopped anytime. That is no longer the case.

76583   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Nov 5, 4:20pm  

Are you going to grace us with your opinion on what the popular vote will be given the obvious skew in the polls? We want to benefit from the full awesomeness of your wisdom and experience.

76584   Gary Anderson   2016 Nov 5, 4:23pm  

Ironmen, they poll based upon the percentage of voters from each party likely to vote. It is all out in the open.

76585   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Nov 5, 4:29pm  

joshuatrio says

They say something, it's ok. The right says it, it becomes a vast right wing conspiracy.

Best example: The same "reasonable democrats" who criticized Dubya's foreign policy, defend Hillary's bad choices and not only ignore her Sabre-Rattling, they alternatively dismiss it or encourage it.

@Gary doesn't appreciate Victoria Nuland will get promoted to Assnt Sec. of State or other high level office.

76586   Ceffer   2016 Nov 5, 11:15pm  

Of course. He will declare himself Emperor of the states that voted for him and declare the rest to be in civil war against him.

76587   HydroCabron   2016 Nov 5, 11:26pm  

As the rightful winner of the election, having secured a majority of the white vote, Fat Birther must preemptively expel refractory states from the union.

76588   Dan8267   2016 Nov 5, 11:35pm  

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

Plenipotentiary

I come to PatNet to learn new vocabulary. It never disappoints.

76589   Booger   2016 Nov 6, 4:27am  

Except for Hawaii and DC, there are no states that won't vote for Trump. Unlike Reagan's re-election, Trump can win in Minnesota.

76590   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Nov 6, 6:02am  

Heraclitusstudent says

These people may be 40% today, but add 4yrs or rising heathcare and housing costs, plus a new recession, and they may well be a majority.

If this comes to pass, they can elect their Molotov cocktail in four years. There won't be any huge threat to democracy. That's how it's supposed to work.

76591   HydroCabron   2016 Nov 6, 7:29am  

To be fair, I have noticed that when one candidate in an election gets the most votes, they always install that person in power like it's a goddamn dictatorship, rubbing it in the faces of the other candidates and ignoring the objections of their supporters, thereby disenfranchising them. #rigged

76592   Gary Anderson   2016 Nov 6, 9:00am  

I don't see how Trump can overcome women and minority voters with just white men who didn't go to college.

76593   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2016 Nov 6, 9:08am  

Gary Anderson says

I don't see how Trump can overcome women and minority voters with just white men who didn't go to college.

You act like zero women vote for trump.

He consistently polls at 36-41% of the female vote. As for the minority vote he consistently does better than Romney with Hispanics and nearly double Romney among Blacks.

76594   lostand confused   2016 Nov 6, 9:09am  

Gary Anderson says

I don't see how Trump can overcome women and minority voters with just white men who didn't go to college.

I am a "minority" -whatever that means. It is so sad, Martin Luther King made the I have a dream speech -about looking past people's color -and the dems still pigeonhole us by color .

76595   Tenpoundbass   2016 Nov 6, 9:15am  

I think Early voting is an evil invention for the establishment to know how many votes to prepare for Election Day Tuesday.

The provisional votes are the deck of Go Fish cards for them to pull the votes needed. And with Obama imploring even illegal Aliens to get out and become provisional votes because the establishment knows they need them. Then many states now has made it illegal for anyone in line to question those illegal Aliens voting.

America's only hope right now, is for many of the Democrat votes already made are for Trump and the 13% so far undecided and the majority of the Indy voters vote for Trump and overwhelm the Rigged deck.
Because I think the NSA and CIA have the killswitch on the Vote Flipswitch the DNC plans on using, and the establishment knows it. That is why at the eleventh hour they are championing voter fraud on a grand scale as long as it's Democrat votes.

Yesterday some pollster for Trumps campaign was reported in the news that he has been dogged by voter fraud charges. He isn't accused of any voter fraud right now they just wanted to put it out there in the MSM because they weren't reporting the real corruption.

76596   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Nov 6, 1:23pm  

650,000 emails reviewed in a few days: Efficiency Record unmatched.

The Two-tiered justice system continues.

The very fact that Weiner had ANY State Department emails on his machine opens Hillary to charges. Not to mention that Hillary instructed her maid to print classified emails on her behalf. What national security clearance does Hillary's Filipina maid have?

76597   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Nov 6, 1:39pm  

PS Does this mean the FBI is trustworthy, valiant defenders of justice again, and no longer Putin's Racist Agents of Disruption?

76598   Tenpoundbass   2016 Nov 6, 1:57pm  

Of course She's innocent she kilt the man leaking her info that could have testified and his wife.

76599   Strategic Renter   2016 Nov 6, 1:59pm  

Bad news for Hilary. This just proves the corruption at the top and they are very foolish to have forced him to do this.

76600   40c8   2016 Nov 6, 1:59pm  

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

PS Does this mean the FBI is trustworthy, valiant defenders of justice again, and no longer Putin's Racist Agents of Disruption?

No, the FBI almost never confirms or denies they are investigating anyone, so no, they still fucked up big time. Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

650,000 emails reviewed in a few days: Efficiency Record unmatched.

The Two-tiered justice system continues.

everytime it goes against you, its rigged. just like your hero trump.... Loser assholes both of you!

76601   AllTruth   2016 Nov 6, 2:02pm  

This will backfire on Clinton.

APPEARANCE OF RIGGEDNESS ON STEROIDS.

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