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Wonder what killed the excess? Doesn't matter as long as some were RepCons.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/04/27/covid-19-death-toll-undercounted/?arc404=true

LOL! Obviously due to the Lock-downs! The chart clearly shows the death count was tracking seasonal average from beginning of the year all the way through early March, then suddenly jumped starting in Mid-March, exactly when the lock-downs started. Did the government release Covid-19 on the population at the same time as locking-down? I hope not; even if it did, there would be a 1-4 week delay between any deliberate release/spraying and death count shooting up. What happened was the Lock-down policy itself and media scare tactics preventing people from getting necessary medical care for other diseases!

The Left's innumeracy is truly astounding. In order to show Covid-19 causing extra deaths, they should cite numbers showing much higher death counts than normal before the lock-downs. What the chart showed was actually two facts that knowledgeable people have been pointing out for a long time:

1. Covid-19 doesn't kill more people than normal flu season does;

2. Lock-down policies (and the media driven scare) kill people!

BTW, WP made the same mistake in pointing out the rising stroke deaths among people in their 30's, 40's and 50's in recent weeks/days. The reason for the rise is quite obvious: people not seeking/getting prompt medical attention when they get unexplained head-aches, and the Lock-down is increasing the use of Cocaine and Crystal Meth, both are known for causing strokes (possibly also due to the media exaggerating the flu resulting in scaring people with high blood pressure away from taking their usual ACE-inhibitor meds).

HEYYOU says

Reminds me of Iraq has WMD.

Which BTW, Trump threw Jeb Bush under the bus for, if you recall the 2016 primary.

If anything, Trump's been the most anti-war President for the past several generations.

Before you respond with the same olde song and dance ....

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https://patrick.net/post/1329577/2020-01-08-rin-s-real-politik-on-trump-s-war-policy-part-ii


Yes, I have a Part I which was finished during Iran's drone strike over the gulf region where Trump did not go the way of Bolton. Notice, it was almost half a year ago ...

https://patrick.net/post/1325271/2019-06-21-sorry-fellas-but-trump-s-calling-off-the-iran-strike-may-be-his-greatest-moment

Before I get to Part II, let me start with this ... I was not interested in politics AT ALL, prior to the bitches protesting the elections in Boston and NYC, during Jan of 2017, which in their collective minds, was perhaps worse (?) than the cozen fraud which was the 2000 Florida re-count, costing Al Gore Junior, yes an academic & environmental loser, but not a war wonger like GW Bush and his [ sarcasm on ] dream team [ sarcasm off ] of Cheney & Rumsfeld.

Since then, all I've heard was something I'd known since 1985 and that was that Trump was a sleazebag. Surprise, I'm 40 today and I can recognize ppl calling each other names on a schoolyard. This is no different than tactics used by kids in grade school. We all know Trump's personality; the question is 'is he putting our boys in harm's way?'

https://patrick.net/post/1329394/2019-12-29-rin-s-response-to-bogus-christian-outrage-on-trump-s-character-or-lack-of

The answer to that is no. In fact, Trump is the first president in our post-LBJ world who's doing whatever's possible, to minimize the pre-existing land wars in place, while at the same time, keeping the Pentagon and contractors, fat and happy with money, so that his family isn't assassinated.

So now, we're at the General Soleimani moment, where once again, ppl are acting as if it were some sanctioned assassination in a non-war zone home country ...

https://patrick.net/post/1329495/2020-01-04-was-qassem-soleimani-gunned-down-at-his-home-in-iran-as-if-it-were-some-mafia-hit

No, the good general was in a grey war zone attempting to start another guerilla action. He put himself in harm's way and like anyone else in a similar situation, he payed the price.

The result, a feeble missile volley to which Trump responded with more sanctions.

So my question to the remaining Democrats is... "Where's the Gulf of Tonkin incident here?"

Why is it that for each military crisis, Trump doesn't respond with sending in 200K-500K troops like LBJ before him? Perhaps it's time to admit that in fact, our election process does work and when the country, meaning the entire land mass, not just the urban centers of Boston, NYC, DC, Chicago, LA, & SF actually places its votes, that those votes should count.

https://patrick.net/post/1329577/2020-01-08-rin-s-real-politik-on-trump-s-war-policy-part-ii


Rin says

finehoe says

There are 200,000 troops deployed overseas today

Throughout the Cold War, there have been US troops scattered around the globe. So today should reflect a bit of that past ...

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/u-s-military-personnel-deployments-country/

Let me add up ALL the mid east countries of Afghanistan, Kuwait, Iraq, Bahrain (no war there), Qatar, Turkey, Jordan, UAE, and what's our total .... 34K-35K?

Wait! Where's everyone else?

Let's see ... between Japan, South Korea, Italy, and Germany, that's already 109-110K? Hold on ... aren't those areas outside of active or grey war zones? Wait, so is half our overseas armed forces out of harm's way, living in post Cold War boundaries, awaiting post-Soviet ...

Tenpoundbass says

I'm fine with Trump ruling indefinitely

I'm sure Trump is too. Note the use of the word "rule". Unfortunately for he and thee the constitution doesn't allow it. That doesn't mean he won't try, in fact I expect him to do so. He would need the support of the armed forces, which I don't believe he has, to pull off the coup.

rigidmember says

The allure of living in an “urban hub full of culture and diversity” will be lost once people realize the stores in the City no longer have food on their shelves. I guess they’ll have to move to flyover country with those rednecks so they can have space to try to become self sufficient.

Yup. I've got multiple sources locally for produce and meat without stepping foot into a grocery store if I want. I could get a whole pig or cow tomorrow if I wanted. I've done all three phases. City, suburban and rural. Rural takes the cake if you can get in with the townies. Fortunately with kids that was a breeze. In 6 short years we're considered townies which is as good as gold in rural areas if you move into them.

Cities are shitholes and I think people be getting scared....

When you have no facts, use outright slander.

ThreeBays says

The plants are impacted by people getting sick from the virus.

Quote from article:

Tyson Foods shuttered a large pork-processing plant in Iowa on April 22, after several workers tested positive for the coronavirus

So because a few people get sick with a cold, the whole damned plant has to be shut down? Is that more consistent with Trump or the panicked left wing idiot policies?

rd6B says

So because a few people get sick with a cold, the whole damned plant has to be shut down? Is that more consistent with Trump or the panicked left wing idiot policies?

They want to cut supply to raise demand and therefore prices. Batshit flu is the excuse. Pigs/Livestock have their prime for tasting the best, but what 90% of what people buy in the grocery store is pure junk meat. You can throw a shitty "prime" or "choice" sticker on it, but that doesn't change what it is. They can let the cows and pigs chill for another 6 months and fuck with the supply chain to fuck with prices

Most people in cities and even suburbs have zero clue what good, quality tasting meat is. Fuck, most people are freaked out now that they have to learn how to cook..lol. This really has been an enlightening experience to see how stupid people really are.

And this is why everyone thinks left is retarded. Priorities are so fucking stupid.

WookieMan says

They can let the cows and pigs chill for another 6 months and fuck with the supply chain to fuck with prices

Meat prices in my barrio neighborhood supermarket are down about 30% since corona began. Which is unusual and kinda difficult to explain, other than day laborers not having any money.

rd6B says

So because a few people get sick with a cold,

I think Tyson is just going for guberment cheese.

But more than a couple of people are getting sick at these plants. check out the pork plant in Sioux Falls South Dakota, like 900 people tested positive. Not fake news

rdm says

like 900 people tested positive

Being positive and being sick are two different things.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

You have to read his life's literary ouvre and reflect on the LARGER CONTEXT of his life and times and philosophy - exactly like considering the writing of Saint Augustine in which a nuance within a subtlety shaded by sui generis biographic background provides, if we're brave, insight into a timeless truth. Yes, only then can we view the soul of this hero.

Well said!

rdm says

I think Tyson is just going for guberment cheese.

you may be right here, what matters (for Tyson to decide the course of action) is where they get more $$$
rdm says

like 900 people tested positive

tested positive is not sick.

Looks like a typical novel disease: The weakest and most vulnerable die in the first wave, then a collapse. Great!

Interesting how Stockholm (and probably Jakarta where any calls for self-quarantine are likely firmly ignored) have the lowest increases despite not locking down.

rd6B says

tested positive is not sick.

My understanding is that in SD only people with symptoms are tested. Now how sick they are is another question, and the data is not available.

Any way you slice it, so to speak, the meat plants seems to be hot spots for spread. Now the people that work there are typically relatively young as these are physically taxing jobs so the death rate should be pretty low except I would guess the general health is poor.

ThreeBays says

Nah, the collapses are due to lock-downs. No collapse in Stockholm yet right?

Or, it's herd immunity.

jazz_music says

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/19/1750191/-Facebook-and-Cambridge-Analytica-gave-Steve-Bannon-a-psychological-warfare-tool-to-attack-America

Psychological warfare tools clandestinely harvested and placed into Steve Bannon’s hands because the true platform of his party is to consolidate wealth into fewer hands.

That's a funny way to spin it. Are you trying to say that Trump's NOT being politically correct was not "refreshing™."

Daily kos.

ThreeBays says

NoCoupForYou says

Or, it's herd immunity.

Herd of Trump sheeple immunity.

There's a winning comment right there..../

ThreeBays says

Yawn. Because it primarily affects the old and infirm, you know people with shorter life expectancy, it just means that over the next 2-3 years it will even out as there are a few less deaths per year after the virus has provided the overwhelming majority of people who will become infected and survive the virus with beautiful immunity. It is called natural selection, you may have herd of it? (pun intended)

He's been bitter since nobody followed him to Satellite Radio.

jazz_music says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

msm is fucking evil.

The hate machine is fucking evil

Are these not the same?? Confused?

rdm says

Any way you slice it, so to speak, the meat plants seems to be hot spots for spread. Now the people that work there are typically relatively young as these are physically taxing jobs so the death rate should be pretty low except I would guess the general health is poor.

How is a meat plant job physically taxing?? Because you stand all day? Confused.

As fat as most Americans are, I'm not worried about anyone potentially starving.

jazz_music says

The news may cater to a group but they aren’t lying, they are trying for ratings is all.

They all exist to get ratings for ads to keep the lights on.... Call me confused. There is no difference between FOX and CNN beside the bias that you like best. Well actually the advertisers that want to buy air time. We all just get the content and can flow towards our bias. Hence why I don't watch TV at all for the most part.

Tim Aurora says

And you are comparing this with a President whose own agencies told him about the Virus in January

I posted a meme that documents the Media Underplaying Corona itself during and after the Impeachment. You found one of the articles, and quoted a section from later in the article that goes against the grain of the rest of the piece, including the lead, which I quoted.

The article begins by explaining WHY the CDC doesn't think Corona is as deserving of attention as the Flu. Indeed, it emphasizes it's lack of fatal outcomes and seems to find more issue with a sense of panic (which the WaPo was dutifully fighting, that is, before they embraced the panic and did a total 180, pumping it up in order to blame Trump).

ThreeBays says

Try seeing if herd immunity works if you get viruses in the food everybody eats.

And how many corona transmissions from eating packaged meat have been observed?

Krratz says

Unbelievable level of stupidity.

Look at the video carefully.

True, the level of stupidity required to equate what Trump said to "inject bleach!" is profound and incurable.

At this point, it's Democrats arguing over what the meaning of "is" is.

Watch the video, here, it's only a minute:

https://patrick.net/post/1331299?120#comment-1665251

I think that the number of deaths world-wide is even higher than the 60% (122k) deaths reported in the headline. China's numbers are just made up, Iran is guilty of serious under reporting, Saudi' s death rate based on the number of cases is suspicious (unless the Covid patients are beheaded before succumbing to the disease), based on the figures maybe Singapore treats those with symptoms right away with "Trump pills", nobody believes the figures Pakistan delivers, and Africa doesn't even know what we're talking about.

However, the overall death rate will come in at about that of a typical flu strain. If it is as the Doomers say at about 1%, we will definitely hear about them having massive, mass graves in Africa for the what 12 million deaths across the continent?

Years ago I had a young patient who told me that he drank bleach because he wanted to see what it tasted like. I was with him while the MD told him that he would never eat normally again, never be able to taste anything again. It was horrible.

Obviously, we are all doing what Trump wants, which is to be reactive and negative and nasty. He says shit like that because he's batshit crazy. His ego is such that anything that inserts him into the conversation is a "win."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder

Discuss.

elliemae says

doing what Trump wants, which is to be reactive and negative and nasty

Seems like it's the media and Democrats who are being 100% reactive, negative, and nasty.

They are so utterly consumed by hate for Trump that they have become unhinged from reality and quite willing to say that Trump told everyone to "inject bleach" when that's an obvious lie. Even a third grader watching that one minute of press conference would not say he was told to inject bleach:

https://patrick.net/post/1331299?120#comment-1665251

The media and Democrats have willfully reduced their own intelligence to below that of any third grader, and keep doubling down on the stupid when caught, lest the whole edifice of self-deception come crashing down.

At this point, it's religion with them. An unshakeable faith in their own hatred, reality be damned.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

All fake.

No one's been sick.

In fact, no one's died.

If they did, they died of Michelle Obama disemboweling them with her immense prehensile penis.

But MSM never reports on it.

I’d say it’s about as fake as your belief that sarcasm protects you from making bad arguments.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

sarcasm protects you from making bad arguments

Is that what he's doing ?

Or is it making fun of people that deserve to be made fun of.

ThreeBays says

@ThreeBays do you have the url for that graph? Can't find it on the ft.com site.

Old geezers dying of pneumonia is NOT a tragedy! It’s natural causes and the road ahead for all of us, should we survive that long.
If you’re old and vulnerable, the responsibility for your health rests with YOU! Change your own habits to protect yourself. Don’t demand that everyone else change to suit your needs, give up their livelihoods, live in miserable isolation, and homeschool their children to lower your risk of catching your inevitable and timely death!

Shaman says

Old geezers dying of pneumonia is NOT a tragedy! It’s natural causes and the road ahead for all of us, should we survive that long.
If you’re old and vulnerable, the responsibility for your health rests with YOU! Change your own habits to protect yourself. Don’t demand that everyone else change to suit your needs, give up their livelihoods, live in miserable isolation, and homeschool their children to lower your risk of catching your inevitable and timely death!

Until governor Cuomo moves Covid-19 patients into your nursing home.

It’s not like we’re recommending the Attestupa for the elderly!

www.youtube.com/embed/DwD7f5ZWhAk

ThreeBays says

Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across 14 countries analysed by the FT.

Looks like they are not counting it right.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/28/they-arent-excess-deaths-fact-filled-thread-takes-dashboard-covid-death-data-reporting-aka-panic-porn-apart/