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The fact is that today, there is no constitutional protection in the bill of rights saying you cant have vaccines as a requirement to go to school (or work). And vaccines in schools has been the standard for many years. DPT, MMR, theres a few others we all got when we were kids. used to be polio but not anymore since it has been nearly eradicated.
OK. Honestly I dont see this really going anywhere, because we dont agree on even basic facts.
With data analytics and all the resources available to big tech and big media have we reached the day and age where the powers that be can steal an election not just by stuffing ballot boxes but by simply manipulating people to vote in a predetermined fashion? That is perhaps where we are today. In the big cities where analytics and liberal philosophy are the most prolific and effective there is nary a conservative voice. They have succeeded in convincing a sizable minority even in traditionally red states that things like the bill of rights are antiquated and irrelevant. The slow grind of manipulating the way people think starts at birth and continues life long. Computer and phone logs, listening in on phones and smart devices etc.. has given them access to understand and manipulate people in ways they don’t even perceive or understand themselves.
A few break free from the matrix but they tend to get wrapped up in the diversions and lunacy of Alex Jones and ot...
And vaccines in schools has been the standard for many years. DPT, MMR, theres a few others we all got when we were kids. used to be polio but not anymore since it has been nearly eradicated.
That is what I said in another thread. Big data and big media have successfully created an alternate reality where in conservatives are liars who believe lies and only liberal Democrats have a true narrative.
Liberals live in an alternate reality wherein it is not tolerated to consider any information that does not fit the narrative.
I don't think there's a user here that is anti ALL vaccines
I don't think there's a user here that is anti ALL vaccines. THIS vaccine doesn't work. There is not enough data on it, but enough to show it doesn't work. Vaccines take years to develop. Sometimes a decade. At least for it to be safe and no side effects. THIS vaccine has known side effects that I've witnessed more than people dropping dead from Covid.
WookieMan says
I don't think there's a user here that is anti ALL vaccines
Patrick himself is. Or rather anti MANDATING any vaccine as condition of entry to schools or employers. That's who I am addressing with those responses.
WookieMan says
I don't think there's a user here that is anti ALL vaccines
Patrick himself is. Or rather anti MANDATING any vaccine as condition of entry to schools or employers. That's who I am addressing with those responses.
It's as if the entire world were forced to take a new kind of very profitable Thalidomide to just see what happens, and to make money for Pfizer.
What I can't understand is how you could possibly think this is OK in any universe.
Right, after this Nazi-level nightmare, I'm strongly opposed to all vaccine MANDATES. I had not really thought about the human rights aspect of mandated injections until the problem was forced on us all.
I disagree, because I think vaccine mandates ARE within their authority
In most cases there was some (somewhat inconvenient) opt out.
Do you see any limit at all to that authority?
The stormtroopers coming to forcibly inject me even if I already opted out of attending the school/workplace that set the vaccine-for-entry requirement. That would be the limit where I crack open my gun safe.
this is not tyranny.
That did not happen, and even though YOU said there was some rumor of that, It wasn't a rumor I ever heard, or a scenario I thought was remotely likely.
So, boosters every day of a new vaxx developed in the last month and tested on, say, 8 mice and no humans wouldn't bother you?
"Take ze experimental jab or you can't work!" If that's not tyranny, what is?
Still I wouldn't be advocating to shoot or hang anyone.
DeficitHawk says
Still I wouldn't be advocating to shoot or hang anyone.
Why not? They killed plenty of people, kids and adolescents with the mandated clot shots. Life long prison at least.
'take the jab or you cant work here'.
I have a friend that worked at a credit union for thirty years. She was fired for not wanting to take an experimental biologic agent. I guess she can learn to code at home.
These are elected officials acting within their authority
Actually the school district my kids attend has an opt out provision involving routine testing. So even schools have opt out.
You vote.
It is fact though the same guy that fucked up the AIDS response is/was lead on Covid response
I think the overall narrative of stormtroopers making everyone get vaccinated is frankly overdone. Its not really like that.
forced to endure some inconvenience
You will be impacted negatively by decisions people make that you dont agree with.
resort to pitchforks, rifles, and nooses every time that happens
why dont others participate?
people who have minority opinions and keep getting beat in elections
DeficitHawk says
'take the jab or you cant work here'.
I have a friend that worked at a credit union for thirty years. She was fired for not wanting to take an experimental biologic agent. I guess she can learn to code at home.
change through voting
mell says
change through voting
Can change through voting ever remove unelected "health" officials? How would that happen if they are immune from firing by the executive branch? I'm not saying it's completely impossible, but that there is no clear path on how to fire someone like Fauci quickly
Not every time, THIS one time. The vaxx mandates are the worst crime against the largest number of people ever committed. It is THE moral issue which divides the people who would collaborate with genocide from those who would resist genocide.
I think the subconscious realization that they have participated in true evil on a mind-boggling level make them uncomfortable, so they don't want to think about it.
The total popular House vote was majority Republican. That's not minority.
The election of Trump was not getting beat. Not that I'm much of a Trump fan, but his historic win in 2016 energized a lot of people who have been harmed for decades by, for example, the outsourcing of US manufacturing to China.
Patrick says
mell says
change through voting
Can change through voting ever remove unelected "health" officials? How would that happen if they are immune from firing by the executive branch? I'm not saying it's completely impossible, but that there is no clear path on how to fire someone like Fauci quickly
How is "Dr" Fuckyouchi immune from the firing by the President? I believe the fucker could be fired at any second.
I recall articles calling for the power of the president to fire anyone in the executive branch, implying that that power does not exist, especially with respect to Fauci.
I guess my take on this all is that if you have a minority view on things like this, you will sometimes be forced to endure some inconvenience by the majority. It is part of democracy.
I have a simple question. If everyone you know who got the vaxx died, but the government kept denying it, would you still stick to voting alone as a way to oppose the vaxx?
I want to know what it would take to turn you into me.
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By polite, I mean refraining from attacking the person in either direction, but sticking to points of argument instead. So no "You are a (whatever)" will not be allowed. The only appropriate use of "you" will be "Here you said..."
I just ran into an old guy in a cafe who pointed in the newspaper to the governor results in California, which added up to 110%. I said, "well, that's California" and so he accused me of being an "election denier". I asked if he'd seen "2000 Mules" and he said he hadn't "because it's been debunked". Uh, it's the same people who committed the election fraud who are claiming that "2000 Mules" was debunked.
Nor had he heard what was on Hunter's laptop, since he watches only corporate news.
I think I might have made a dent in his wall of denial, and I'd like to try with others.