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There will be no "Blue Wave", change my mind!


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2018 May 14, 8:51am   79,543 views  699 comments

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Yesterday former Bill Clinton advisor Dick Morris told radio host on New York's AM 970 that he believes the "blue wave" that Democrats are expecting to give them back the Senate and House will not materialize, and polling has backed him up.

Last week, CNN's mid term poll showed that Democrats only had a 3 point advantage, well within the margin of error, and considering that CNN is known for "oversampling" Democrats in its own polls, this is troubling for the DNC.

Additionally, a recent poll from Reuters (left leaning) has shown that Millennials are leaving the Democrat party in droves. Democrat membership in the 18-34 demographic (the bread and butter of the DNC) dropped 9% over the past 2 years, most of them becoming "independents".

"I think that [Democrats] see fool’s gold in these scandals," Morris said. "They’re putting everything behind the Stormy Daniels scandal and Michael Cohen … and the country doesn’t give a damn."

That's when Morris dropped his prediction.

"There is no blue wave coming," Morris exclaimed. "There is a red wave. And what makes it red is the blood of the Democratic Party."

Here's my official take. I believe the GOP will LOSE seats in the house but will not give it up to the DNC. I believe the GOP will GAIN seats in the senate, keeping their majority. This will mean that Trump will have both houses of congress for his entire term.

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63   MrMagic   2018 Aug 14, 8:11am  

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Trump Disapproval was +21 pts on 12/15/17.
Trump Disapproval stands at +8pts as of 8/13/18.


TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Dems lead by 13 points around Christmas 2017
Dems lead has been chopped to a third of that, now 4 points as of Mid August 2018.


Come on, you're just quoting fake Fox News crap....

Oh, wait.... it's RCP, which is consider to be one of the most accurate...

Damn.... Time for some NEW FAKE Russia scandal dreamed up by the Liberal MSM. I wonder how Rachel Maddow feels about those numbers?

The "Blue Wave" has turned into a trickling creek.
64   CBOEtrader   2018 Aug 14, 8:34am  

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
despite a full court press of Negative Media (which nobody in their right mind can deny) - Unheard for a President who is demonstrating success in hard numbers from GDP to Unemployment to Increasing Exports.


People dont like being deceived. As they realize, one by one that the MSM is lying about Trump, his ratings will improve. This also gives him a bullet-proof coating against the MSM attacks, since every Trump supporter has realized the MSM is lying constantly.

His approval will rise as the FBI/CIA/Hillary collusion against him during 2016 election continues to come to light. They never thought they would lose, and have been fighting against the inevitable ever since.
65   Rin   2018 Aug 14, 11:14am  

Goran_K says
Who is suffering right now besides snowflake lefty assholes who don't understand how an election works?


This is key ...

http://patrick.net/post/1315913/2018-05-11-be-honest-if-there-s-no-sudden-economic-collapse-then-trump-gets-re-elected

In it ...

"BTW, I have a thread on election bitches because these east/west coast Femi-Nazis ...

http://patrick.net/post/1301811/2017-01-23-election-bitches-read-my-lips-the-vote-of-women-in-boston-and-nyc-don-t-matter

went ape shit because they couldn't figure out that it takes more than winning over places like Boston and NYC to put a candidate into the White House."
66   Rin   2018 Aug 14, 11:16am  

Seriously, why were 1000s of women, running around the cities of Boston and NYC, protesting the election in mass?

They had already won Massachusetts and New York State!

All they did was create a major traffic jam for YES! ... Hillary Clinton voters!
67   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 14, 5:55pm  

MrMagic says
The "Blue Wave" has turned into a trickling creek.


8/14/18 Update: Rasmussen, which does Likely Voters rather than less reliable Registered Voters and certainly the laughable "All Adults", has Trump +1 Approval.

AND, Trumps total approval is now a mere -5%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history
68   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 14, 6:23pm  

Aphroman says
It’s a shame that Republicans make the laws here in the States. If they respected our Constitution and Americans way of life


It's not a shame, it's democracy, something leftists hate when they don't win elections.

Also, protecting the 2nd Amendment is respecting the Constitution.
69   Shaman   2018 Aug 14, 6:40pm  

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
8/14/18 Update: Rasmussen, which does Likely Voters rather than less reliable Registered Voters and certainly the laughable "All Adults", has Trump +1 Approval.


This poll was the most accurate for predicting election 2016. RCP averages in a lot of super questionable polls with extremely divergent results to get their number. GIGO!
70   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 14, 7:10pm  

Aphroman says
There’s nothing democratic about allowing certain gambling in some places yet not in others. Smells more like crony Capitalism to me


Uh, it's called a Federal System. Some States decide they'll allow gambling, others do not.



Aphroman says

Republicans holding legislation hostage that protects our country, unless they get to force their Prohibition rider onto it, is anti-democratic.


And those representatives were democratically elected.

Aphroman says
United States is a Constitutional Republic.


Yep, that selects representatives via Election.

Sorry you lost. Here's a suggestion, stop demonizing White Males.
71   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 14, 10:29pm  

Ah, Sod Off.

Bargle Fargle, Yadda Yadda If I can't smoke ganja while gambling on Paul Revere to place at the NOLA Fairgrounds from 1000 miles away, MUH FREEDOM! IA SHUB NIGGURATH!!! Horses on the field, Jockeys to win the trifecta with a thousand joints!!! IA!!! Cthulhu R'lyeh!
www.youtube.com/embed/xDFqRFODiMg
72   marcus   2018 Aug 15, 12:27am  

Goran_K says

There will be no "Blue Wave", change my mind!


I'd rather just let the blue wave change your mind, that is, if it happens.

The most likely way it could manifest would be with higher turn out among democrats, based on disgust with Trump.
73   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 15, 12:23pm  

Andrew Cuomo: America "...was never that great."

Go Democrats! 2018 Motto: "Does it piss off Peoria?"

Andrew Cuomo: ‘We’re not going to ‘Make America Great Again. It was never that great’ pic.twitter.com/VpPLbsAT9B

— BNL NEWS (@BreakingNLive) August 15, 2018

74   Rin   2018 Aug 15, 1:09pm  

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Cthulhu R'lyeh!


I never took you for an H.P. Lovecraft fan.
76   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 15, 1:27pm  

Rin says
I never took you for an H.P. Lovecraft fan.


As a New Englander, I figured you would be one.

1996 Miskatonic University, BS Non-euclidean Geometry
77   Rin   2018 Aug 15, 1:47pm  

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
1996 Miskatonic University, BS Non-euclidean Geometry


Yes, both Miskatonic and Harvard had rare books on necromancy!
80   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 15, 2:45pm  

Cook's final electoral map.

https://www.270towin.com/maps/the-cook-political-report

Click the map to create your own at 270toWin.com
81   MrMagic   2018 Aug 15, 3:30pm  

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Cook's final electoral map.


I have one even better from Nate Silver, the Guru of Liberal polling and accurate predictions. This was as of the morning of the election:

Hillary: 302
Trump:235

82   Tenpoundbass   2018 Aug 15, 3:39pm  

Now for something you will REALLY like!

Florida Democratic Voter Registrations Down Since 2016
https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/08/florida-democratic-voter-registrations-down-since-2016/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LegalInsurrection+%28Le

We're going to fuck 'em in the ass good alright!
83   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 17, 2:09pm  

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/402329-worst-case-scenario-for-house-gop-is-70-seat-wipeout




That's the downside of all the gerrymandering for Republicans. In a very Dem friendly year that breaks the gerrymanders, the results become catastrophic.
84   MrMagic   2018 Aug 17, 2:18pm  

LeonDurham says
the results become catastrophic.


Why did you leave out this graphic:


The Repubs still hold the House, which is the MOST likely.

What does your boy, Nate Silver say, we'll just take his prediction and invert it, just like last election?
85   rdm   2018 Aug 17, 10:10pm  

marcus says
The most likely way it could manifest would be with higher turn out among democrats,


Particularly women. This being essentially an all male site we don't get the view of 51% of the population but the gender gap is substantial, growing and they are motivated to vote. Grab your nut sacks and hide the knives.
86   curious2   2018 Aug 17, 10:21pm  

rdm says
Particularly women.


In 2016, exit surveys showed that among married women who voted, 47% voted for Donald Trump, compared to 49% for Hillary Clinton. Married men voted for President Trump 57% vs 38%. Midterm turnout is generally lower than presidential election years, probably especially among unmarried voters. So, those demographics might favor R.

Democrats chose to sacrifice liberalism and to embrace instead Islam, one of the most illiberal doctrines on earth. That puts the Democrats always one Islamic attack away from losing. As a lifelong real estate guy, Donald Trump recognizes the value of placement. When attention turns to defending against Islamic attacks, he owns the whole block. 2016 saw notable attacks inside the USA, and Democrats lost across most of the republic. Since then, we have continued to see Islamic attacks in other countries, and President Trump calls attention to them every time they happen in a familiar western city such as London. (They happen ALL THE TIME in countries that have more Muslims, e.g. the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, which is itself a terrorist state as per Islam.) Moreover, Democrats' embrace of Islam shows terrible hypocrisy and is easily portrayed as anti-Christian, because Democrats insist on importing Muslims who share many of the same beliefs that Democrats criticize among Christians. As long as the Democrats embrace Islam, which contradicts almost everything most Democrats claim to believe in, they appear hypocritical and anti-Christian, and place their election prospects at the imaginary mercy of Islamic terrorists.

Meanwhile, Republicans have also outflanked Democrats by enacting more liberal policies in the medical sector: right to try, and repealing the Obamacare mandate. Most Democrats opposed right to try, and voted to enact and to keep the Obamacare mandate. It is thus difficult to present Democrats as a liberal party, or even having any coherent agenda other than opposing President Trump, who carried most states and districts in 2016.

In order to produce a blue wave, Democrats need a coherent agenda, e.g. putting Americans first. That would mean agreeing with President Trump about several things, e.g. Islam and immigration. MSM and "liberal" attempts to demonize President Trump preclude that, with the result that Democrats continue losing.
87   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 17, 11:28pm  

Every election is gonna be local. No election is gonna look like Conor Lamb (a complete an utter 2A Non-NARAL Pro-Tariff populist bluedog as you can get, running in an open seat where the previous office holder Republican resigned in disgrace) , or Texas, or anything else.

In reality, the chances are 50-50 the Dems take the House. I don't see a path to the Senate unless something crazy happens, such as a vulnerable Senator has a scandal.

We have an absolutely booming economy by every metric. You can add Youth Unemployment at 50-year lows and a retail explosion to that as well, now.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/youth-unemployment-hits-52-year-low-1534455755

The best Campaign Ad for 2018:

89   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 6:41am  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
We have an absolutely booming economy by every metric.


Not by every metric. Like real wages, for example. That is a pretty important economic indicator, wouldn't you say??

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/05/opinion/columnists/trump-real-wages-inflation-workers-economy.html



https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/08/11/trumps-economic-scorecard-higher-inflation-flat-wages-and-a-ballooning-federal-deficit/#888f4322facd

"In the past few days, new economic reports have come out that don’t paint a very rosy picture for a number of economic items. While GDP hit 4.1% for the June quarter, but only 2.9% year over year, and the unemployment rate is hovering at all-time lows, inflation continues to increase, real wages are stagnant and the federal budget deficit is ballooning .
The following reports on inflation and wages could be a couple of the reasons that many American workers are not feeling better about their financial situation. And add to those concerns about Trump’s tariffs, especially as it applies to products such as soybeans. To get an overview of economic data while Trump has been President check out “Trump’s Economic Scorecard: 18 Months Into His Presidency.”
90   MrMagic   2018 Aug 18, 7:20am  

LeonDurham says
Not by every metric. Like real wages, for example. That is a pretty important economic indicator, wouldn't you say??


Nope...

People are spending like crazy, apparent your wage claim means nothing...

Walmart's best sales in a decade show US consumer may be strongest in years because of the tax cut, jobs growth.

Walmart's best growth in comp store sales in a decade comes as the U.S. consumer is showing some of the best signs of strength since the recession.
Retail sales jumped in July, but so did the sales performance at retailers as consumers not only went shopping but spent money on travel and dining out.
Economists say consumer spending is being helped by the tax bill and also the fact that U.S. job creation remains strong, even as unemployment dipped below 4 percent.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/16/walmarts-best-sales-in-a-decade-show-us-consumer-is-alive-and-well-because-of-the-tax-cut-jobs-growth.html

Next....
91   Rin   2018 Aug 18, 7:21am  

curious2 says
In order to produce a blue wave, Democrats need a coherent agenda


First of all, the unofficial leader of the party, Hillary Clinton, needs to shut her mouth. Since her defeat, she's been on the road, barking & screaming at the world, passively indicating that the election was some-how misappropriated from her. In contrast, Al Gore went silent, after the 2000 Florida debacle, where the election was in the fact, STOLEN, in the most horrific way possible ... one which was sanctioned by the Supreme Court. So by the following 2004 election season, the Democrats had new leadership and could move on. Today, in place of Gore's graceful exit, we have the Cult of Hillary Clinton which is unabating.

LeonDurham says

Not by every metric. Like real wages



IMHO, we're undergoing a structural change in the economy which is independent of political parties. I believe we're in the early stages of mass automation where employees do not have any leverage on wage increases. A lot of companies can use contract labor to fill stop-gaps in their delivery cycles and thus, not have to maintain permanent headcount, while at the same time CIOs look towards expert systems to maximize the workload of the existing crop of ppl on the permanent payroll. Face it, moving forward, a lot of ppl will need more than 1 job to earn what they used to earn, in the pre-AI era.
92   anonymous   2018 Aug 18, 8:38am  

Men who are collectivists are cuckolds.
93   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 8:54am  

MrMagic says
eople are spending like crazy, apparent your wage claim means nothing...

Walmart's best sales in a decade show US consumer may be strongest in years because of the tax cut, jobs growth.


lol--we're measuring health of the economy by spending at Walmart?? bwahahahahahaha.

Is it possible people are spending more at the cheapest, crappiest, lowest quality crap because they can't afford anything else?? Higher spending at Walmart probably indicates a crappier economy.
94   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 8:55am  

Rin says
IMHO, we're undergoing a structural change in the economy which is independent of political parties. I believe we're in the early stages of mass automation where employees do not have any leverage on wage increases.


I agree. Trump and his cult can blame immigration all they want, but they are missing the bigger picture.
95   rdm   2018 Aug 18, 9:16am  

curious2 says
In order to produce a blue wave, Democrats need a coherent agenda,


That would be good but unnecessary. In this I agree with Steve Bannon it's all about Trump, who is most motivated to support or oppose. IMO The polls that will be most indicative of the results, especially in House races are what % of a district strongly support or strongly oppose Trump. Those people will vote. We shall see in November.
96   curious2   2018 Aug 18, 2:25pm  

rdm says
That would be good but unnecessary. In this I agree with Steve Bannon it's all about Trump, who is most motivated to support or oppose.


I don't see how Democrats could oppose Trump more now than they did in 2016, when they imagined him as nuclear Hitler. If it's all about Trump, then he wins. In this I agree with Oprah, who advised, "Do not give your energy to the other side." If Democrats want to win, they need to rally around something that can motivate majorities of voters in most states and Congressional districts. In 2016, Democrats had already TDS, and it was not enough to persuade enough voters in most districts and states. So, to win, I do think Democrats need a coherent agenda to put Americans first.
97   lostand confused   2018 Aug 18, 2:38pm  

curious2 says
in 2016, Democrats had TDS, and it was not enough. So, I do think Democrats need a coherent agenda to put Americans first.


Yup voters like me. I have no problem voting dme, republic. IT is more what they represent-not the label. In IL, voting dem is suicidal-they support public unions and refuse to do anything about the disastrous real estate taxes. They have the votes to amend the constitution-but instead pretend to ass some bandage measures which they know the court wills trike down.

In general, mass unlimited immigration, tariffs/free trade(surprisingly this was a strong dem position-now dems loathe it) etc. Now I support gay marriage etc-I am libertarian-but I don't support 32 or is it 112 genders and requiring us to keep all these different bathrooms or anyone saying they feel x gender at this moment and so use x bathroom. If not that is a violation equal to slavery and the holocaust.

What scares me is the SJW, free speech and violence to ensure that only one form of thought is accepted. I saw it at the Trump rally and the recent racist turn of the dems-where they were calling the ICE agent the N word and house n*gga in Portland and several such incidents-chasing Milo out of a NY bar calling him NAZI-antifa-these terrify me for our future.

Last but not least and absolute dela killer-socialism, where they want government control of businesses and redistribution-hell no.

Not to mention Obama's use of the police state to target his rivals-that has gone horrible-Thank God for Trump.

In life we sometime come to a fork. The dem want us to go to a fork where government controls everything, from what you think, what you can express, redistributing your assets and basically eb where Russia, Cambodia, Germany all went.

The repubs are pointing us towards freedom, while the govt protects us from places like cHina etc , but true freedom. I believe we are in a dangerous place and the democrats could lead us into terrible disaster-a world where the govt decides everything-the question-are there enough people as the dems say "woke" enough o move away from the commie filth?
98   CBOEtrader   2018 Aug 18, 3:50pm  

Aphroman says
emember that Trump was elected solely because the DNC went with Hillary.


Remember the part about the DNC stealing the primary for Hillary? That probably had something to do with it
99   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 4:03pm  

LeonDurham says

lol--we're measuring health of the economy by spending at Walmart?? bwahahahahahaha.

Is it possible people are spending more at the cheapest, crappiest, lowest quality crap because they can't afford anything else?? Higher spending at Walmart probably indicates a crappier economy.


Because their manufacturing jobs were outsourced by Neoliberals?

Hey, what IS the Democratic solution to outsourcing?

Let me guess, Education for jobs that don't exist like Nantotech Engineer and AI Psychologist. Perfect for 55 year old Mike the Steamfitter.
100   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 4:08pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Hey, what IS the Democratic solution to outsourcing?


See---this is undoubtedly the most frustrating part of posting here. This poster has asked this question multiple times before and it's been answered for him multiple times before.

He lets a month or two go by, and then asks it again, pretending that it hasn't been answered for him multiple times before.
101   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 4:09pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Because their manufacturing jobs were outsourced by Neoliberals?


Except far more have been automated away.
102   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 4:51pm  

LeonDurham says
Except far more have been automated away.



Nope. Not looking at Shenzhen they haven't. People there today still slump over electronics with soldering irons just like they did at Philco in Ohio in the 70s.

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